Thursday, August 7, 2008

RE: 4the റെ;കമ്മ്യൂണിസ്സത്തെ അവഹേളിക്കുന

RE: 4the റെ;കമ്മ്യൂണിസ്സത്തെ അവഹേളിക്കുന

First of all I thank you for replying to my questions. I appreciate.

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Do you have the right freedom to decide who to load un load my properties from my vehicle?

yes,ofcourse.but you have right follow what law implemented in your country.
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Circular Reasoning Fallacy - Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms. In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion.

EXAMPLE: An obvious non-smoker blurts: �Can a person quit smoking? Of course � as long as he has sufficient willpower and really wants to quit.�

This statement contains a more subconscious version of circular reasoning. The intended argument simply repeats itself, disguised as a logical statement. The warrant is simple: �A person can quit because he can.� True, any smoker can quit, but the task is not as obvious or as easy to accomplish as the statement suggests. The arguer must provide reasons to suggest how a person can overcome an addiction, not to simply identify the obvious use of will power.

Source: http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/logfal-pbc-circular.htm

Naushad,
I am questioning the law which says a person do not have the freedom to decide who to unload his property. And you are saying yes, he has the freedom as long as he agrees to the law which says he does not have the freedom to do so. Do you really think you are making sense?

Imagine you were asked the question �Is your country free?� under the British rule and your answer is �yes; we are free as long as we agree the British rule�. Are you able to see the stupidity?
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Do the police protect my rights and freedom in case of any conflicts relatievs to above issue?

yes,police also follow what implemented in law
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I don�t think I need to explain it again. This is again the same nonsense, circular reasoning fallacy. You are saying yes, police will protect your right, but police do not have the authority to protect your right. We are questioning the law or who ever says you do not have that right. Be clear on your ideas, please. I am really getting frustrated.
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you respect my personel right un coditionally?

why not!everybody follow their country law.
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Again circular reasoning. We are discussing about that law only sir.

What you are trying to say is this

1. Yes, everybody has the right as per the law.
2. But the law takes away people�s right.

Tell me what the meaning of this is. What I have been doing so far is questioning that law made by stupid fellows who are ignorant of freedom and rights of people. The law can be changed at any time.

By the way it is not the country law; it is a communist law in Kerala. No where else in India or in any other democratic country you can find this law.

This is what I keep on telling you, any democratic country gives priority to the individual rights/freedom of the people. When I say personal rights it includes their freedom of choice, free speech, equality irrespective of race/color/religion/cast/gender/money etc. Everybody is treated equal under the law and protected by the law. There is no special right for any one.

In democratic society, a government is elected by the people to protect their freedom and rights, not to control their freedom or take away their rights. You have a very weird definition of freedom and individual rights. Put your �Communist Manifesto� down. Read about freedom and democracy and think independently.
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does a farmer the freedom to use any mechine in this field without anybodys permission?

availabtly of labour then government will decide what they have to do.
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It is clear from your answer that you do not allow a person to use machines on his land, if there are workers. But you do not see violation of rights here. You think it is the right of the workers� to get the work force fully. That is why I am saying you have a very weird definition of freedom and rights. You do not respect people�s rights and freedom. You are not different from a robber or a murderer. Only difference is somebody made it lawful. But again I do not blame you guys. Any society gets a government which they deserve. We elected them in to take away our freedom.
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do you respect freedom to cultivate ever he needs on his field?

never.land loard should follow the rules and regulation what suite athority.
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I am not surprised by your answer. Let the people see what a communist really think about freedom.

As a said before the primary duty of any democratic society is to protect citizens� freedom and rights, not to take away. When ever there are issues the government should find out solutions which do not impact citizens� freedom and rights.

This is where I admire western democracy. They prevent anything which affects the freedom and basic rights of the people. Of course they have gone so far in their democratic values. Our democracy is still in a developing stage (Except in communist states where democracy is going down). Yes, they also have issues in their society, but they find solutions which do not impact people�s individual freedom and rights. Their society is made up of freedom. They protect them at any cost.

This is where democracy differs from communism. Communists just don�t care about freedom and rights of other people. If there is any issue, just implement Communist Manifesto which says expropriation is the right way to establish social equality. I am not sure when our people will understand what is freedom, what are their rights and how to resolve issues. ************************************************************************
I can answer like this.but my respect your authentic mind but,from yor argument I Understad you are not suitable for creative and a watch ful mind

Yes, you can answer like this. But most of the answers do not make any sense to me at least. Where ever you answered clearly, you showed that you do not respect others freedom and rights, which I care about a lot. You are also using lots of logical fallacies to explain your answers. I suggest you to read a book on fallacies which will help to strengthen your arguments. Also I see you are very much confused about democracy, freedom of people, rights, equality and how to resolve social issues.
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i will wait and can give some un laccerate creative from my side

I will really appreciate, if you come up with creative answers and I will accept it as I am not a follower of any isms. But I have to tell you the truth, I am really getting frustrated with your vague explanations (No offence meant). Please be clear that will save both of our times.
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